This Site is 1.4.1 Now???

[computerz]

How can a mod be an issue for speed, when the only thing involving speed is the number of queries that mod introduces and whether or not your pageload calls those queries.

For example, my site has just about everymod you can think of, but when I load a page, I'm not calling any of those mod scripts, unless I have it on the page. The only way I get to the mod is unless I click the link for it. So my mods dont affect performance.

Performance is only an issue when you have tons of blocks on your page each of which are doing queries for a particular mod. Or if you have mod(s) integrated into the page you're loading.

Aside from that, performance is not an issue. Nor have I seen any performance issues with IntegraMOD. My site which is heavily modded runs just as smooth as a new install. Thats because the mods have a seperate link to get to them.

So I don't understand your point here @helter

Nor do I see the reason for dumping IM Portal (I'll make a thread on this).

[Helter]

compare the overall_header.tpl of a stock subSilver to an Integramod version of fisubice. You dont think all the switches and .js impact performance? or the fact that we have dozens of mods that alter phpbb_config and phpbb_users ? these two tables alone are called on every page load.
If you have a decent computer and connection, compare the page loads between an IM site and a phpbb site. Im not knocking IM, Im just stating a well know and documented fact. There are many mods most of us do not use, many have sql queries on every page load. With Kiss, and the plugin system, these extra unnecesary querries will be removed. IM Portal would have to be completely re-written, right down to the templating system as phpbb3 does not use the .tpl template system.
In time Wekke may be able to develope a portal for phpbb3 similar to IM portal, but i doubt it will have the same features and function of the current system. He is good, but he is no MasterDavid.
He has even said he has a working copy of IM Portal on a phpbb3 site, but will not show it, so I have doubts as to its existence.

[computerz]

Ahh.. ok.. I see what you're saying. That makes sense. But even still I think the performance hit is only marginal.. as most mysql queries take less than a fraction of a second. But I do see your point.

And man, it would be really nice if M-David and Wekke could rejoin the team.

[Helter]

Both are welcome.
master david is busy supporting his family and not likely to return.
Wekke has been invited. I have even imported his account.

[jwernerny]

Now that the site is KisMod, I had to re-login. I was surprised to see it do a visual confirmation on the login screen. Is this part of the new package now?

[Helter]

yah, i think it is part of CBACK Cracker Tracker

[wdwm]

I know your saying that the RC is not for use as a main site yet, but I am desperate for a php5 combatible portal the serves the purpose as good as IM does. *IF* I was to use v1.4.1rc will there be an upgrade to the full release when it comes out?

[Ebony]

just wanted to say Nice work guys Hugs.

[Fubie]

I know your saying that the RC is not for use as a main site yet, but I am desperate for a php5 combatible portal the serves the purpose as good as IM does. *IF* I was to use v1.4.1rc will there be an upgrade to the full release when it comes out?

This has been stated many times. NO.

[Aquilo]

Ive been watching the footer for the change since the template changed, and it looks like is did nowà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


Am I correct in assuming that this Site is running on 1.4.1 now??? <img>

Something like 8 weeks later and WE are still waiting.... but hey, at least THIS site got some of the extra fixes and enhancements..... oh, and a new name (kissy-face mod) - wouldn't want to forget that

I realize that you guys can only do so much - but please don't forget the rest of us are still running 1.4.0 & you can bet that (whether or not we are actually saying anything) we are checking for the final release EVERY SINGLE DAY

[Teelk]

We don't forget the rest of you, and that's why I just stayed up almost 48 hours coding. This site only exists to continue on this package, if we weren't working to release it then there'd be no reason for this site to exist...

The last 48 hours or so have consisted of writing and refining the update scripts. If we had released a week ago, I would have missed part of the update I just fixed and that wouldn't have been good for anyone.

When I see a post like Aquilo's I'm definitely discouraged about the project, and surprised at the self-centered attitude. We're already doing this for you, the community, if anything see it as a favor. You don't respond to a favor by demanding that favor be done on your time, by your rules. I no longer even have a site, as the reason I had a site no longer exists, so 100% of the work I do on this project and the time I put in is not done for me.

When I put so much time and effort into something and someone posts garbage like this, it really makes me have second thoughts.

But, then I think of the rest of the community, the time and effort others have put in and I realize users that post tripe aren't even worth a first thought.

So, I close by saying, you might want to reexamine your attitude towards this project and community.

[sanji]

Teelk,

Most of the community does know the amount of work required, and is indeed silently waiting for the new version. I am really looking forward to update my web site, and sure I find the time long. Not because I think you guys are not 100% on this project - I know you are - but just because I can see Beta 1-5 running, including on my test site, and just feel I might just use a beta version on my live site. Which probably would not be such a good idea...

Rest assured that we do appreciate all what was done so far... and what is being done by you know.

However, if I might suggest another strategy for future releases - I'm sure they will be more next years: I would suggest to select 20-50 beta testers taht would agree to seriously test your beta versions, and keep the development quiet for the rest of the community. I would be delighted to help for that. Then only when the package is fully fonctional, an annoncement would be made.

You know, sometimes it is better not to be too much imformed. And it probably would remove a lot of useless pressure from your shoulders!!

sanji,
who is just quietly waiting for the release: no hurry for me...

[Fubie]

Something like 8 weeks later and WE are still waiting.... but hey, at least THIS site got some of the extra fixes and enhancements..... oh, and a new name (kissy-face mod) - wouldn't want to forget that

I realize that you guys can only do so much - but please don't forget the rest of us are still running 1.4.0 & you can bet that (whether or not we are actually saying anything) we are checking for the final release EVERY SINGLE DAY

Well, you have posted twice here according to your profile. And yet you think you can come here and criticize this team for volunteering their precious time to this project and community when you have not even contributed here in any way. Wow. That's pretty gutsy.

[ZacFields]

Well, I've had my ups and downs as far as my patience for this goes. But then again, I had a very good reason for being frusterated. I was stuck in a really crappy server situation and couldn't find a way out.

The problem is, that the biggest upgrade on the new version (PHP5 compatibility) is available on most other forum software. But when you're running integramod, there is no conversion path to anything else. If I wanted to switch my site to invision power board, which is php5 compatible, I couldn't do it because there's a conversion path for PHPBB but I'm willing to bet it would not work with integramod.

Keep truckin' guys. People will wait and they will be satisfied when it comes out. I do agree with Sanji a little bit that the timeframe on the new versions is usually misinterpreted which can be very frusterating. With the way things were explained to me 6 months ago, I felt like we were about 2 months away from a final version of 1.4.1. I was being told that 141 was being worked on very hard and there were very few upgrades needing to be done except PHP5 compatibility, so you can see where one would assume that it was coming up in what could be considered the near future.

I know you guys work hard and we all appreciate it. I know for sure that I do because while taking help here on Integramod, I've done my best to give back what little I can being as I've been playing with PHPBB and integramod for about 3 years now. But at the same time I do understand that people are getting frusterated.....at least if their reasons were like mine that they just paid a bunch of money for a server they found out they can't use or something along those lines.

We still think you guys are cool <img>

Zac

[Frost]

Every time I see a post like Aquilo's I imagine what must be going through the main developers heads as well as those of us that try our best to be a contributor in what ways we can.

I realise that people must get impatient but try and realise that you are complaining about the speed of a progress in which you have no idea what's involved. I am willing to bet that the ones that complain the most have barely begun to do simple editing much less build and maintain an entire cms. This is not an attack but rather a size implication to make you realise what they are doing in their spare time, for free, and for what? A couple of people telling them how poorly they are doing it? Someone telling them that they aren't doing it fast enough? Someone accusing them of building something for them and simply holding it back from everyone else? This is rediculous and I hope you realise that on most any other forum you would have been immediately banned from the site considering how you have not contributed and you attack the developers so quickly. This is an obvious sign of no respect and limited intelligence.

Just remember the following before you make any more posts like the previous one.

Spare Time: The hours that are spent away from work or other commitments, that can be spent doing what one wants to do.

This time is usually limited because some of us have full time jobs. This is 8 hours. Sleep 8 hours. Hygiene 1 hour. Driving/Eating/Various 2 hours. This leaves us with approximately 5 hours left to get everything else done. The rest of the time is spent trying to get this done for you I'm sure.

Free] Without payment, free of charge.

[b]Never once have they asked you for money or to pay them for their hard work. They offer an alternative to this for those of us that actually do appreciate what they do by accepting donations. This is far more than I can say for other cms's out there that make you pay to use their software that was originaly opensource anyway.

For What?] Question of reason behind actions, desired goal.

[b]Everyone has a different reason why they do it but if you think about it, they must love to do it in general. They like seeing the reactions when someone is impressed with what they have done. They love when someone comes here and asks for help and they actually get what they need. Maybe it's just to offer a free alternative to the competing cms software that costs money. Maybe they themselves started off just like us and asked for help and got nothing in return, or asked for mods or hacks and got nothing. So they learned themselves and now wish to offer a place where people who are starting out, just like they did, to come and actually be able to join a community of friendly people who want nothing more than to help others.

These are all very rare attributes and I couldn't personally ask for more from them. This may not be the only place like it's kind, but I am both impressed and respectful of what they do and what the community as a whole accomplishes by coming together and working together to achieve the best pre-modded phpbb forum possible. And in my opinion if you cannot bring yourself to see the opportunities and the great community of people here... then maybe you should look elsewhere as you are not what I listed above.

To the developers: You are all doing a wonderfull job and don't let people/posts such as the previous ones get you down or deter you from it. Always remember that even though there are 5 people like him, there is another 100 of us who will back you all the way to the end. And I think I speak for everyone when I say Thank You.

To the community: When I came here I knew very little about modding phpbb or making themes, or blocks. But because of the help I've recieved from all of you over the months (on this name and my previous one that I lost) I can safely mod my own, I can make themes, I can make blocks, I can edit, hack, and tweak. And now I can in turn help other's who are like I once was and I wouldn't want it any other way. Keep up the great support and friendly help and let's keep this a wonderfull community!